How a little known Australian led a global shift on China.
John Garnaut woke up in Melbourne on an early November morning to urgent messages from his business partner, Matthew Pottinger.
It was 2022; Pottinger, the former U.S. deputy national security advisor, and Garnaut, a former journalist-cum-Australian government official, were in the early stages of launching Garnaut Global, a consulting firm that bills itself as a Chinese politics interpreter for financial firms. They only had a few dozen clients at the time, but Pottinger, who serves as chief
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