Robert B. Zoellick has long played an important role in Republican security and economic policy-making circles, including policy towards China. During the George H. W. Bush administration he was a senior aide to Secretary of State James Baker and was eventually named under secretary for economic and agricultural affairs. Under George W. Bush, he was initially appointed U.S. Trade Representative when China was about to join the World Trade Organization. Later he became deputy secretary of state, where he notably urged China to become a "responsible stakeholder," igniting a debate about whether China was living up to its international obligations. In 2007, he was named president of the World Bank and, along with a Chinese government think tank, produced “China 2030,” a roadmap for Chinese economic reform. A prominent critic of former President Donald Trump, Zoellick is author of "America in the World: A History of U.S. Diplomacy and Foreign Policy." This interview is part of Rul